Evolution: On the Canton Fair Floor with Steven Selikoff

Steven has watched the Canton Fair evolve over the years, and in this episode, he’ll dive into the significant shifts he’s seen in the landscape of Chinese trade and the new strategies necessary for success. From trends impacting Amazon and D2C models to practical advice for today’s sellers, Steven’s wisdom is invaluable for anyone looking to maximize their Canton Fair experience. Tune in to learn from his best tips, top mistakes to avoid, and crucial insights on thriving in a rapidly changing market.

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[00:00:00] Episode 447 of Global from Asia, the Canton Fair Evolution with Steven Selloff. Let’s tune in today. We’re doing it on the floor at the show. Welcome to the Global from Asia podcast, where the daunting process of running an international business is broken down into straight up actionable advice. And now your host, Michael Micheli.

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Some tips and some hacks on finding products and pricing and negotiations. And I learned a few things too. It’s a really [00:01:00] insightful show and it’s fun. We got people walking behind us. I found a little booth. They let us. Let me plug in this camera to record and I’m really excited for this. So let’s tune in and then after I’ll do some things I’ve learned from the show.

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Alright, thanks everybody for choosing our Global Formia podcast. Have my Brandon returning podcast guest, Steve Selloff back on the show. How you doing today? Good. How you doing, Mike? Good, good. I got the glasses grinding. I know. You’re, you’re, you’re, you’re rocking it. I, they, they think I’m like a, , really can take pictures with me at the, the booth.

You’re a movie star. Movie [00:02:30] star. Trying to have fun today. , these things are, these things are intense, right? The can’s unfair. It’s an endurance rock. Yeah, definitely an intense time. So I’m trying to have fun today on Friday. We have a nice boost letting she power. She’s also a self media learning, asking you some questions, but today we’re talking about trends that you’ve seen about can talk Fair and, and over the years.

So , you have a group, you take your students here, you do product development academy, you have prebook. How many times now about, or do you keep track? How many times? I don’t [00:03:00] keep track. You don’t keep track anymore? No. All I know is that. Chris Davey has gotten more than me and he’s gotten more than most people.

’cause he came here when it kind of opened during Canton Fair. During the That’s true pandemic. That’s true. Yeah. We also, also, he’s always gonna beat everyone. Yeah. He has more because it, yeah, the coronavirus just, there’s like a black hole of years for us. And this, this isn’t, I don’t, in my mind it’s always, it’s just like.

Pre and post pandemic. Does this [00:03:30] occur? Post pandemic pre pandemic? It’s weird. I’ve been calling it like a, a B, CAC, like before Covid and after Covid. It’s like, , yeah. A, A, B, B, B, C. So it’s like, what is this three piece? 8, 8, 3 years after. I think it opened a few years ago, right? It opened. So this is, it opened.

Two Aprils ago, so two and a half years ago. Okay. Yeah. That was much less crowded. Yeah, I remember. And as soon as, remember, as soon [00:04:00] as it as, as soon as they announced that they had visas going on again, they still had the old ones canceled, so you’re gonna get new ones. And flew down to San Francisco ’cause I was the only one I could go to from Seattle and they were taking walk-ins and my friend Aaron Byner.

Had found some guy to stand line. Okay. So this guy like stood online for like 12 hours or something like that. And then he stood online for me 23 hours. Amazing. I flew down from [00:04:30] Seattle and he, this guy was online and I got there and slept the night, next morning, came over, paid him, took his spot, went in.

I had to be here. I had to be here. What was amazing time? Yeah, absolutely. And I’d say, I don’t remember how it was before, but I feel like we’re back. Back to normal. I would say we’re back to normal. Less Westerners, more people from brick countries. True. True. That’s true. I heard a lot of Spanish. I’m hearing a lot of Spanish.[00:05:00]

Yeah, a lot are from Brazil, Portuguese, A lot from. From India, even though it’s Diwali right now. So India had a big holiday. You’re right. We, yeah, that’s a good point. I sat next to somebody on the bus today in Dubai. First time he’s wearing sunglasses. Actually, that’s how I put the, they’re not his sunglasses.

He, but I, I have my, in my bag. He was looking out, up at talk. That’s he’s sunglasses. First time they can on Fuge Dubai. I got my Hugo boss here. Should I dig ’em out and put them on? Put on? Alright, let’s do the sunglasses thing today. [00:05:30] So in phase three and phase three has changed, right? Like actually the sunglasses guy, he messed up.

Actually he’s, there’s no sunglasses. Phase three though, he says that he found out that they’re phase two. They switched them. They switched them. And the big thing is that they switched they switched toys. Oh, so can’t recall. I got the sunglasses. There we go. Now we got the look guard. Oh, so he he’s when he’s actually really [00:06:00] disappointed ’cause he thought phase three was sunglasses, sports, but I guess they, they did shift things around.

Phase three has gotten be bigger. It’s busier than phase two. It, it’s spread out some of that. Busyness from phase two into phase three. So now they’re both busy. The hotels are loving it. Yeah, because at phase three, I don’t think I used to really spend time at phase three. Personally. I remember it used to be clothes or pee pee.

I think baby clothes, adult adult clothes, sportswear [00:06:30] shoes, camping. And home textiles. Okay, so I was here all the time for home textiles. I, I was always two pets. But vaguely, I remember years and years ago pets being in phase two, but I can’t even, I, I’m just old. I may just be. Forgetting ’cause I You would always cover for two and three.

Yeah, but toys used to be two, now they’re three. They moved that. Okay. So I remember, and most, most, it was just phase one and two, three, at [00:07:00] least. Most of my friends and I and sellers I knew didn’t really do three or four unless there was some special category. But now, like you said, they evened it out. One is the electronics, which I don’t, I don’t think they’re electronics, but I, I mean, I know a lot of people electronics, but most people come for two and now three.

Which is, yeah, the only times I’ve ever came for, for phase one, besides for customers and, and students is for home electronics and industrial chemicals. Hmm. [00:07:30] So I had a product where I needed industrial sized drums of ants and, it’s just, that’s just a crazy world. Yeah. Electronics is so hard, I forget.

It’s like, well, every, every category you’ve gotta become an expert. I’ve learned this the hard way when I was first starting out, I, I kind of was you. I could pick products, you being categories, even sourcing or anything. You gotta really know your product, right? I mean, to do it. Well, the trick on that, [00:08:00] and I love this, two things.

One is. On YouTube you can watch old episodes of how it’s made, alright? And how it’s made is great to show factories and stuff like that. And the other, this is, this is like one of my favorite tricks. Credit goes to Keon Ri for this idea. Alright? Find a fact, find a factory that you don’t like, okay?

And just go there and ask them every question in the world. Learn on their dime, [00:08:30] everything. And then when you go to the factory and you like, you already appear like what you’re doing. You’re knowledgeable. It’s true. So I did that with a, a booth here. There wasn’t a category I liked. I wasn’t even a part I wanted, I was just showing my friend how I do it.

So I just, let’s go into this booth. Yeah. I just started pick. It’s kind of like. It’s almost like dating, right? Like if you, you, I’m not sure if that analogy works. Find one you don’t like, learn everything you can and then go to the good one. Well, I, when I was trying to, , loosen up at a [00:09:00] bar to talk to girls, I would sometimes talk to one that I, I didn’t mind if she rejected me.

And the more rejection you get, okay, I guess it works. The analogy works. So it’s, it practice. You get tons and pounds of Sierra can on bears. So like your, your, your students too, right? Your Oh my goodness. Goodness. They learning a lot. The confidence level they have now is fantastic. True. I’m just, I mean, I’m thrilled.

That’s great. I’m sitting here. Yeah. [00:09:30] First day it’s like text, text, text. Can you come here? Can you come here? Can you help? Can you help? Now it’s, , phase three, it’s like. Everyone’s off on their own. They’re doing their thing. They’re negotiating, they’re helping each other out. It’s great. Yeah. So I, I don’t know.

I, I like to do, like the first day I, I go to factories. I’m already buying from calls to them, and then fees. The day two is, maybe I go back to this again. I like to see him sometimes two days in a row personally. ’cause it kind of builds a [00:10:00] little bit more of a remembering and relationship in usually the first day I tell myself I’m gonna go through and find everything that’s interesting, take pictures of the booth numbers or stuff like that. But if something’s particularly compelling, I can’t help myself. I’ll sit down, I’ll start talking with them and stuff like that. So best laid plans. I don’t think I’ve ever actually just walked through without stopping on the first day of any phase ever.

Yeah. It’s just too, there’s too many exciting things here. So many ideas, , there’s things you [00:10:30] haven’t seen before. The first day, if, if you’re gonna get an exclusive, you want to talk to them on the first day and have them pull it off the display as quickly as possible, , and that’s probably one of the big things.

So we, we were talking about what things have changed. One of the big things is that e-commerce has changed. , there’s Amazon’s direct from factory to Amazon division. We don’t know what’s gonna happen with that. We don’t know if somebody’s going to open up Amazon say, [00:11:00] yeah, I want to get this.

I don’t know, back massager. And it says we have cheaper ones in this other division. You have no idea. And then there’s a bunch of others that are doing the same thing. Of course, everyone knows about Temu and Shein. 1688 is, , I’m not supposed to talk about that, but I’m, I’ve, I’ve stopped the prohibition there.

I’m talking about it. 1688 is coming out with a, with a US friendly based interface. Wow. The in fact, there’s gonna be [00:11:30] nine platforms that people can look at. Amazon discount, Amazon, because there’s so many Amazon sellers, US Chinese sellers, and then seven more platforms that they can go to, all with inexpensive, cheap prices.

Hmm. So you come here on the first day walk, , like speed, walk through it, find the products, the new innovations that you really like. Sit down, negotiate out. A exclusive and have them pull it off the [00:12:00] display because this way, that exclusive has got to include any of the new cross-border e-commerce platforms that are coming out and you’re the only one selling it.

That’s the way to, it’s one of the ways to compete these days. And that’s one of the things that’s completely different. So you gotta be used to that, ? Great, great, great value right there. That’s a, yeah, you basically share it that nice. So they’re bringing in new products here. So then you hit ’em right in the morning, right on day one of [00:12:30] fee, whatever, fees.

And then you try to get ’em exclusive to, yeah. And once it’s exclusive, take it off display like us Exclusive, global exclusive. Yeah, I had, I have one. A kitchenware product and I, I went to see them and, and, and talk with them and everything, and knew what I wanted. But they had to, , decide whether or not to give me an exclusive.

They took it off the shelf, went back to talk to them about it, and they couldn’t find it, [00:13:00] and someone put it back on the shelf. Oh. And then I got a text saying, oh, we found it. It’s over here. So they had taken off the shelf. Just nobody told each other where they put it. Got it. So, but the other thing is also innovation differentiation.

When I’m here, I teach everyone how to negotiate, but then we also go around the fair. They shadow me as I negotiate. Mm-Hmm. So. We found a a, a place that does plushies or stuffies, whatever you call them, from wherever the world you are. They [00:13:30] call different things. And just went through my phone and and came up with some animals I saw when I was at the Australia Zoo to get to hold the animals and pet them.

So, found some animals and said, can we do this? I’ll show you one right here. Let’s, this is a. This was really cool. This was whoa. Is that like the cutest animal ever? That’s a, it looks like a plushie. That’s a real, that’s a real animal. It’s called a red panda. It’s so fun. Like a lot, I I gave me this.

[00:14:00] People are walking by or like live here on the floor. This place is gigantic for people who are not aware. The Canton Fair is the largest ex exposition space in the world. Mm-Hmm. For a while people were saying that the the space in Frankfurt was larger, where they do Che Christmas World. I was out there last February and, and it’s not larger, but just to be sure, they built this whole section, these.

[00:14:30] Yeah, sometimes somebody says, I’m in D and then you’re, I’m in like, what’s that one? B, B is all the way down there. I still, you got take the golf cart. Well, you can walk it. I just walk. Oh, that’s the one C. Yeah, I just walk it. That’s C. That’s C. That’s my doctor watched me to west Motel to lose weight.

I’m trying to walk. It is good exercise, the steps. Mine was like, I know, I dunno how many miles I did on my er here. See now as long as my phone’s in my hand, I’m gonna look. So I’m up to 6,283, but I, I got long [00:15:00] legs. Okay, so this, we’re only at noon. We’re like midday. Yeah. Still, it’s still probably more than halfway to go.

So that’s one thing that’s different. Another is. The economy. Mm. I have never seen suppliers so eager to make deals. It does seem that way. , I did one well, talking about the shadow negotiations. So I teach ’em my, my folks how to negotiate, [00:15:30] and we brought the price down from $4 to do $2 14 cents per unit.

Okay. Because they want to make deals. They want to make deals. And if you’re a westerner. Even more so. So this is the time. Yeah, it’s you can definitely feel it all green. I was ex finding you and one grabbed me. She’s I to do a QC on this grill and she’s tried to scan my QR code. I’m like, I have to meet, but they’re definitely more, more hungry than ever.

Oh yeah. [00:16:00] Yeah. So, I mean, there’s just so much you can do. Without being here, and that I know prior to Covid, everyone would come here. , If you’re doing, if you’re doing products, you come to the Canton Fair, you touch and feel the products. You compare one to another to another, right next to each other, you can do in a half a day what it takes you six months to do from home without the cost of shipping.

And if you talk to your accountant, this whole damn thing. Can I say that? I [00:16:30] think it’s okay. Okay. This whole thing can be deducted. Mm-Hmm. , this is a, a direct expense, so it shouldn’t be costing you anything and you can do so much so quickly and just catapult your career forwards. Agreed. So, so.

Making deals is his big point. , Maybe I’m doing it wrong, but I personally don’t like, actually, I talked to current supplier and I’m talking about new product. I’m thinking about, I’m trying to see his new [00:17:00] products. Mm-Hmm. But , he’s took out some of my ideas like. I do like one of my categories, like men’s gift, right?

Yeah. We’ve, we’ve, we’ve talked about Yeah, we’ve that, yeah. It’s not saying like maybe playing cards and a bottle opener and like, , a box and he says he’ll gimme a quote later. Well, he gimme an estimate, but I, I personally usually still follow up after, but I, I like to face to face timer. That’s my favorite.

Absolutely. Absolutely. There’s being face to face, there’s no comparison. Mm-Hmm. [00:17:30] So. In China, just historically, 20% of that negotiation is talking. Yeah. The rest of it is interaction in-person face-to-face interaction. , it’s like if you don’t have the numbers, if you don’t know the product, if you don’t know what you’re doing, you’re gonna tank.

Mm-Hmm. But if all of that. You can get much [00:18:00] further. Thank you. Oh, you gonna come in

there you come. Is here. McDonald’s. McDonald’s is here. For people who are not familiar with China. That’s how you call out to someone else. You don’t say hey and stuff like that. It’s funny ’cause it’s English words lie by lie in Chinese means come. Come. Yeah. Lie. Gonna be like, la la, la, la, la. Well, the other thing is in China, it’s like you, if it’s something [00:18:30] important, you don’t say it once.

Mm-Hmm. It’s like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Exactly. So where was I going with Oh, yeah, yeah. We talking about the pricing. Yeah. So price of, yeah. FaceTime relationship, all of the, the non-verbal things that lets them know you’re serious. If they know that you’re a boss, if they know that, that what you’re doing, if you have confidence, they want to deal with you and you can’t convey that in a text or an email.[00:19:00]

Yeah. So I went to a factory, which means there’s feast and bri and factor at buy and there was no production. Half the K it was quiet. I was little. On what day was it Sunday or Sunday? No, it was maybe it was a weekend, but I So try up on, see there, see, think it was Monday. Monday or this week, maybe Tuesday.

So the first thing always to check when you find that out. If all the stations are empty, just look to see if they have chairs sitting there or [00:19:30] not. If they don’t have chairs, then that factory’s in financial problems. True. If they do have chairs, then maybe for some reason that shift was off for something, , there’s no production going on.

But if there’s no chairs. Go into a factory that’s quiet, maybe go into a factory that’s quiet on a workday and there’s no chairs. It, it’s a no, it’s a no go. So did you take pictures? I didn’t take photos. [00:20:00] I went to the showroom and we, but she was actually telling me she’s not doing it with, I, I bought it for her three times my fourth order, and she says, , there’s stones in Ningo, just young. She says her report is better, but she sees people going to Ningbo. She’s in dog water, so she says, but her quality is so good and , she can make me anything. She’s almost like openly saying, she, I think she’s even openly saying she’s not getting customers.

So [00:20:30] what did you, how did you handle it? I just told her I’m still gonna keep buying from you. I like your quality. I, I like doing business with you. And she and the really crazy, I think, , my wife Wendy has g Yeah, the English learning, she’s complaining about the school bus and she’s thinking she maybe will use the online classes to learn English.

When my wife, she’s, ’cause she knows my wife, the WeChat, but we took a picture together and she’s so excited. She’s so much, I never met her in person. Actually. I tried during Covid, but I couldn’t get to dog one. So she’s [00:21:00] so happy. She’s, she really wants to work with us more than ever. I mean, I’m a little bit concerned.

Her business is doing well, to be honest. Yeah, I would, I had a, I gave a talk for Alibaba in front of 2000 suppliers. Amazing. And, and I had no problem talking to ’em straight. Mm. I said, , it’s things like, stop using your customer’s photos. [00:21:30] Don’t even ask them what their website is. That’s just, they’re happy to talk about everything, but don’t say that.

It doesn’t build trust, ? It’s and, and as , every time you do something, a serious talk like that, they preview everything. Mm-Hmm. So. I know they gotta have to check this. Oh yeah. So, so, and I had a list of things. I thought they were gonna take some of ’em off. ’cause some of ’em are pretty harsh.

I’m talking right to the, to the suppliers. But, , I want to defend, , western sellers. So I told ’em all this, but I [00:22:00] also, , I, I sandwiched it with all the good things the factories do. And one of the things I pointed out, I said. Chinese customer service reps are the best in the world.

People fall in love with their customer reps, their sales reps, , they’ll share about their family, whatever. I know someone who, who came to the Camptown Fair thought she twisted her ankle. Ended up she had broken it, and, and the sales rep who she didn’t even use kept up conversations. So [00:22:30] like, for the next six months, how you doing?

How’s, how’s, how’s, , recover it. They have, they really build this loyalty and that’s one of the things they do. Good. So I know, and, and, and I’m probably feeling this is you as well, but I know a lot of people who find out that their factory’s a little bit too expensive, a little bit slow, not meeting deadlines, but they have such a relationship and the sales rep, yeah.

Insane that they stay. Yeah. , you like the sales rep. She’s built up a relationship with you and your family. [00:23:00] Yeah. And, and you’re looking to stay, even though your head’s saying, Hey, there’s something wrong here. Well, I mean, still wasn’t admitting that it’s cheaper in, in, in that, , in Yeah.

But she’s trying to defend by her equality, I guess. She’s losing business. And very, very first thing I do, we have a, we start off with a day, classroom day. Very first thing we say in the classroom is. Why are you here? Why are you doing this? And the answer is straightforward. We’re doing this to make money.

You love doing it. You [00:23:30] can love the whole experience, but we’re doing it to make money. And you just have to keep coming back to that. That doesn’t mean you screw over your supplier. , if things go well, you can tell your supplier, I want you to make money. I want to make money. I want my retailers to make money.

I want my customers to be happy. But if you do that. It all works, but if you’re not thinking about money, you start making decisions that you regret later on. True. So we’ve got. [00:24:00] People coming here right now as my, so I’m gonna do a quick shout out here to CVC inspections. They’re doing this there, they’re letting us use their tables and stuff like that.

I’m gonna get the younger sales world maybe on the here she, she did video, which she gave up because Ss not many views. There’s a lot of work and. She does photos now. She’s a local. Her super. Yeah. Yeah. It’s it’s busy. I also logistics, I guess, for instance a service provider role, [00:24:30] but hey, let’s, we’re at the 25 minute, , I think we’re having good price points in our schedule.

, again, it a little bit last minute. Appreciate Yeah. On, I thought it’d be fun. We’ll be up in Shanghai. We gotta do that again. Cross border summits coming. I really appreciate you coming again and, wow, that’s, yeah, it’s gonna be happening just in a few days. The show will go by line on next Tuesday, which will be during the day two.

I think. You’re, you’ll be, yeah. You, yeah. I’ll be arriving that evening. Perfect. Yeah. Super excited. So if anyone has [00:25:00] not gone to his summit, you gotta put it on the list for next year. I mean, the energy’s there. Not only the energy, but the networking. Yeah, it’s the networking that I went through last year has.

Has benefited like tenfold. Wow. That’s crazy. , and just last month we were together with Yeah. John. With Don. And Don. Yep. , it’s like, these are people I only know. Because of your summit. Wow. So it’s, it’s, , there, lots of people say this summit, that summit [00:25:30] networking, this networking that your, your summit, the people you put together is truly magical.

Okay. That really means a lot to see. Thank you so much. Things a great way to end the end. This show at and then you have product development academy. It’s, yeah, it’s happening. Know you’re, you’re, yeah, we’re doing well. We’ve got one of our people’s. So this is gonna go live Tuesday. This will be on Tuesday.

Good. So Wednesday we’ve got one of our folks in Australia’s gonna be on Shark Tank. Whoa. Exciting. So that’s happening. Lots of other [00:26:00] exciting things going on. The products are extraordinary. I think I showed you a couple of them. I saw some. And these are things that people talk about. These are career making, life changing, money coming from products that are just like, wow.

I love it. This is the best, best thing in the world. Yeah, it’s fun. Like I was in one of your sessions here at, at with your group and there’s, even if the attendees talking, , students talking to each other, sharing what they’re knowing and their pro their mark. Oh, it’s just there’s, there’s a real sense of [00:26:30] family.

That’s great. Yeah. But we’re all in it to make money. Yeah. That’s what we gotta remember. So thanks everybody for watching. I hope you enjoyed this episode of Public Major and see you in the next episode. Save the date Cross-Border Summit 2024 is coming back. 2020 threes was epic. Never got such great feedback in all of our events.

Cross Border Summit 2024, we’re planning already a year in advance. It is a full week of amazing things. There’s pre-event, post-event workshops, trainings, [00:27:00] elephants, sanctuaries. We have a lot of amazing things here in Chiang Mai, Thailand again, so I would love to see you there. We’ve already pre-sold some tickets to previous people.

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I can’t wait November, 2024. Thank you so much, Steven. I really, really appreciate that. It’s always a pleasure. He’s also come to the summit, which is amazing. And he said such great things even after the recording about how he really made some good connections at the Cross-Border Summit last year. So I was happy to see him come back.

Actually, quite a few people are coming back. They really enjoyed it, and that’s what it’s all about. I’m, I’m not hyping it, no, no Lamborghini, YouTube advertisements and but at the show I’ve also [00:28:00] learned, I, I keep. Meeting the same suppliers I buy from. I met them, I go visit them. I try to build relationships, , like you said, we don’t talk about price right away.

Talk about, , talk about the terms, talk about trust the relationship. ’cause it’s almost like a business partner relationship. Also. I’ve, I agree with them. There’s a lot of Spanish people. Russian people more than I remember, less, less Western like American or other, , other European countries.

So it’s definitely a global economy now, [00:28:30] and the world is changing. We gotta keep adapting and stay on top of our toes, keep it growing. So I hope these help you. I really appreciate you for watching or listening, and that’s it for today. Talk later. Bye-Bye. To get more info about running an international business, please visit our website@ww.global from asia.com.

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